i'll win votes from independent swing voters and then i win on the deficit. >> you can -- >> on cutting regulations. where it matters. >> you can still be a principled conservative. this is all music to my ears. joe i got to take a break. stay with me. we'll have you back. i want to talk some about fiscal policies and what republicans should or should not do about that crisis. meanwhile we'll talk about it now. a group of leading conservatives joined forces on debt spending today. they penned an op-ed on why the threat of a default ought to be used to force a balanced budget a threat of a debt default. i believe this is completely dead wrong. i think it will lower our credit rating, damage our economy. by the way it's totally unworkable. but we got to talk. joining me now is the co-author of that op-ed. we bring back our friend, cnbc contributor a former bush white house deputy press secretary. let me begin with you mr. nino. i want to cut spending like nobody's business. you mess around with the debt ceiling i'm going tell you, buddy, the whole world, fiscally, economically and politic